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		<title>By: The Top 3 Reasons Why Bud Light Lime and Wiz Khalifa’s “Black and Yellow” are Basically the Same Thing &#171; Drink with Aloha</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-903</link>
		<dc:creator>The Top 3 Reasons Why Bud Light Lime and Wiz Khalifa’s “Black and Yellow” are Basically the Same Thing &#171; Drink with Aloha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the chemically introduced flavored is based upon unnatural limes. After seeing the introduction of Miller Chill &#8211; another 0% unnatural lime flavored beer &#8211; into the American marketplace, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the chemically introduced flavored is based upon unnatural limes. After seeing the introduction of Miller Chill &#8211; another 0% unnatural lime flavored beer &#8211; into the American marketplace, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Resolutions &#171; Drink with Aloha</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Resolutions &#171; Drink with Aloha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 10:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] to sometimes deviate from your usual course.  I&#8217;m not trying to say that you have to drink Miller Chill.  Ever.  Just maybe try something new like sitting on your hand for a few minutes before using it [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to sometimes deviate from your usual course.  I&#8217;m not trying to say that you have to drink Miller Chill.  Ever.  Just maybe try something new like sitting on your hand for a few minutes before using it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 23:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a personal fan of the multi-tiered system...mostly because of the control freak in me who needs/wants as much information at any given point as possible... But also, I think with anything there are many layers that, if possible, deserve a bit of explanation as everyone has different agendas/priorities when it comes to choosing beverages.  

I do however think that some sort of numeric rating system would be helpful to distinguish exactly where we feel the product falls in the grand scheme of things.  I agree with Elton that we should have a scoring key either on each post or in an easily accessible place where people can reference it.

Either way we go, as long as we are consistent we&#039;ll be good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a personal fan of the multi-tiered system&#8230;mostly because of the control freak in me who needs/wants as much information at any given point as possible&#8230; But also, I think with anything there are many layers that, if possible, deserve a bit of explanation as everyone has different agendas/priorities when it comes to choosing beverages.  </p>
<p>I do however think that some sort of numeric rating system would be helpful to distinguish exactly where we feel the product falls in the grand scheme of things.  I agree with Elton that we should have a scoring key either on each post or in an easily accessible place where people can reference it.</p>
<p>Either way we go, as long as we are consistent we&#8217;ll be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin D'Olier</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin D'Olier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 02:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Must be a permissions issue. You might need to be an Editor. I&#039;ll look in to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Must be a permissions issue. You might need to be an Editor. I&#8217;ll look in to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Les JoceSip</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Les JoceSip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave and I were playing around with our own five score system for fun...
WB, A, WG, WFG, WP:
Wicked Bad
Alright (for those of us deep in the city &quot;Aight&quot;)
Wicked Good
Wicked Fuckin&#039; Good
Wicked Pissa

otherwise i&#039;m not sure a rating is necessary. I think more directional like &quot;Buy it all&quot; &quot;Run don&#039;t walk&quot; &quot;only if your choice is between this and a white zin that&#039;s been left in your car for a week&quot; &quot;good for Sangria&quot;

I personally like to spin it all positively since we all taste differently. I firmly believe that if it&#039;s not corked, cooked or off there is a way to celebrate it! =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave and I were playing around with our own five score system for fun&#8230;<br />
WB, A, WG, WFG, WP:<br />
Wicked Bad<br />
Alright (for those of us deep in the city &#8220;Aight&#8221;)<br />
Wicked Good<br />
Wicked Fuckin&#8217; Good<br />
Wicked Pissa</p>
<p>otherwise i&#8217;m not sure a rating is necessary. I think more directional like &#8220;Buy it all&#8221; &#8220;Run don&#8217;t walk&#8221; &#8220;only if your choice is between this and a white zin that&#8217;s been left in your car for a week&#8221; &#8220;good for Sangria&#8221;</p>
<p>I personally like to spin it all positively since we all taste differently. I firmly believe that if it&#8217;s not corked, cooked or off there is a way to celebrate it! =)</p>
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		<title>By: Meltron</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Meltron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well I just wrote a very lengthy and in-depth expose&#039; regarding my opinion on a ratings system and then it got deleted. FML.  In short, I like Elton&#039;s idea.  It&#039;s descriptive and doesn&#039;t detract from the articles.  It most likely will even pique interest in the articles, like &quot;Why did this drink receive a rating higher than its denominator?? I must read its description!&quot;.  So, yeah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I just wrote a very lengthy and in-depth expose&#8217; regarding my opinion on a ratings system and then it got deleted. FML.  In short, I like Elton&#8217;s idea.  It&#8217;s descriptive and doesn&#8217;t detract from the articles.  It most likely will even pique interest in the articles, like &#8220;Why did this drink receive a rating higher than its denominator?? I must read its description!&#8221;.  So, yeah.</p>
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		<title>By: Elton Nichols</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Elton Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 06:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That last bit should read $1.40 / $1 (why can&#039;t we edit our own comments?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last bit should read $1.40 / $1 (why can&#8217;t we edit our own comments?)</p>
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		<title>By: Elton Nichols</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-40</link>
		<dc:creator>Elton Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2010 06:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realized my X/10 scale was a little confusing when I was trying to explain it to my wife and she didn&#039;t get it right away.  I have tried using a variation of it in my recent article on the forthcoming Kirkland Signature Macallan Scotch ( http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/holy-spirits-kirkland-signature-macallan-scotch-whisky-17-year-sherry-cask-finish/ ) using x/$1.  I think this might convey the rating scale a little more efficiently.  What does anyone else think?

Ex: Macallan Scotch - Bang / Buck = $1.40 = $1 (this over-performs for its price)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realized my X/10 scale was a little confusing when I was trying to explain it to my wife and she didn&#8217;t get it right away.  I have tried using a variation of it in my recent article on the forthcoming Kirkland Signature Macallan Scotch ( <a href="http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/holy-spirits-kirkland-signature-macallan-scotch-whisky-17-year-sherry-cask-finish/" rel="nofollow">http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/holy-spirits-kirkland-signature-macallan-scotch-whisky-17-year-sherry-cask-finish/</a> ) using x/$1.  I think this might convey the rating scale a little more efficiently.  What does anyone else think?</p>
<p>Ex: Macallan Scotch &#8211; Bang / Buck = $1.40 = $1 (this over-performs for its price)</p>
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		<title>By: Elton Nichols</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-28</link>
		<dc:creator>Elton Nichols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 01:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have thought long and hard on this (get your mind out of the gutter Justin), and I have gone back and forth on whether or not to do a multifaceted rating system.  I think we do need to address the fact that expensive wines should have to live up to their price tag while cheap wines are cheap for a reason and don&#039;t necessarily need to hold up to the focused scrutiny of their bigger brothers and sisters.  I have had many guests over the years order wines because of the point based reviews the wines have received in the Wine Speculator and I have been shocked at the inflexibility they have to look beyond the simple number.  Even Mr. Parker loudly states that ratings alone mean nothing if the accompanying review isn&#039;t taken into account.

I had initially thought that we should rate wines separately in their respective price tiers but I think that still might be too ambiguous, and worse yet that only takes wines into account and not also spirits and beer.  It&#039;s &quot;Drink With Aloha&quot; not &quot;Winos With Rainbows&quot; (shoot, we should have thought the name through a little better!).  I next thought that we should have a rating that gave an indicator as to the general style of the wine - like what http://www.vino100.com/ tried to get off the ground - but again I think that people want their information distilled down to a fine neutral spirit.

In the end my vote is to measure things on a &quot;Bang for Buck&quot; scale (call it what you will, &quot;B4$&quot;, &quot;BfB&quot;, &quot;B/$&quot;, etc.).  I think an open ended scale to dispel any concept of absolute perfection in a beverage would be nice.  Too many people are obsessed with a 100pt wine and what that means, and they end up sounding like Double Rainbow Guy ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI ).

The B4$ scale would be x/10, so a beverage like Miller Chill would get 0/10 or 1/10 whereas a beverage that is a break-even return on investment like Mollydooker &quot;The Boxer&quot; Shiraz would be 10/10.  The open ended idea is that if a beverage is undervalued or over-performs for its price it would get a fraction that exceeds 1.  For instance I would rate Segura Viudas Brut Reserve Cava a 15/10.  Why is ten the baseline?  If we set it at 100 people will immediately think of the WS/WA scoring system and their brains won&#039;t follow us.  If we set it at 1 then the numerical ratings will seem like splitting hairs.  We could do a 20pt scale like my favorite wine website, www.thewinedoctor.com .

In the end if people see a rating of 10/10 or above they will know that we are stating that they will at least get their money&#039;s worth out of what they are buying.  Again I would caution the general public not to blindly buy based on our ratings without at least reading our quick recap (imagine the shock of buying a Chablis that is 15/10 without realizing that it is made of unoaked Chardonnay), but I think this would be an easy and intuitive benchmark towards estimating quality quickly.

Regardless of what we choose as our measuring stick we should hyper-link each rating to a pop-out page that explains our scale.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?  Should it be X/99Bananas instead?  Let me know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have thought long and hard on this (get your mind out of the gutter Justin), and I have gone back and forth on whether or not to do a multifaceted rating system.  I think we do need to address the fact that expensive wines should have to live up to their price tag while cheap wines are cheap for a reason and don&#8217;t necessarily need to hold up to the focused scrutiny of their bigger brothers and sisters.  I have had many guests over the years order wines because of the point based reviews the wines have received in the Wine Speculator and I have been shocked at the inflexibility they have to look beyond the simple number.  Even Mr. Parker loudly states that ratings alone mean nothing if the accompanying review isn&#8217;t taken into account.</p>
<p>I had initially thought that we should rate wines separately in their respective price tiers but I think that still might be too ambiguous, and worse yet that only takes wines into account and not also spirits and beer.  It&#8217;s &#8220;Drink With Aloha&#8221; not &#8220;Winos With Rainbows&#8221; (shoot, we should have thought the name through a little better!).  I next thought that we should have a rating that gave an indicator as to the general style of the wine &#8211; like what <a href="http://www.vino100.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.vino100.com/</a> tried to get off the ground &#8211; but again I think that people want their information distilled down to a fine neutral spirit.</p>
<p>In the end my vote is to measure things on a &#8220;Bang for Buck&#8221; scale (call it what you will, &#8220;B4$&#8221;, &#8220;BfB&#8221;, &#8220;B/$&#8221;, etc.).  I think an open ended scale to dispel any concept of absolute perfection in a beverage would be nice.  Too many people are obsessed with a 100pt wine and what that means, and they end up sounding like Double Rainbow Guy ( <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQSNhk5ICTI</a> ).</p>
<p>The B4$ scale would be x/10, so a beverage like Miller Chill would get 0/10 or 1/10 whereas a beverage that is a break-even return on investment like Mollydooker &#8220;The Boxer&#8221; Shiraz would be 10/10.  The open ended idea is that if a beverage is undervalued or over-performs for its price it would get a fraction that exceeds 1.  For instance I would rate Segura Viudas Brut Reserve Cava a 15/10.  Why is ten the baseline?  If we set it at 100 people will immediately think of the WS/WA scoring system and their brains won&#8217;t follow us.  If we set it at 1 then the numerical ratings will seem like splitting hairs.  We could do a 20pt scale like my favorite wine website, <a href="http://www.thewinedoctor.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.thewinedoctor.com</a> .</p>
<p>In the end if people see a rating of 10/10 or above they will know that we are stating that they will at least get their money&#8217;s worth out of what they are buying.  Again I would caution the general public not to blindly buy based on our ratings without at least reading our quick recap (imagine the shock of buying a Chablis that is 15/10 without realizing that it is made of unoaked Chardonnay), but I think this would be an easy and intuitive benchmark towards estimating quality quickly.</p>
<p>Regardless of what we choose as our measuring stick we should hyper-link each rating to a pop-out page that explains our scale.</p>
<p>Anyone else have any thoughts on this?  Should it be X/99Bananas instead?  Let me know.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Hampton</title>
		<link>http://drinkwithaloha.com/2010/09/how-do-we-rate/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve always liked a single concrete number (1-100, A-F, whatever) that is qualified by a more subjective and comprehensive tiered rating. The overall would be the single rating, allowing people to sort ratings at-a-glance, but then expound upon the single rating with more specific ratings. See examples below:

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/140/60420

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta55/page18.asp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA&amp;feature=related]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always liked a single concrete number (1-100, A-F, whatever) that is qualified by a more subjective and comprehensive tiered rating. The overall would be the single rating, allowing people to sort ratings at-a-glance, but then expound upon the single rating with more specific ratings. See examples below:</p>
<p><a href="http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/140/60420" rel="nofollow">http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/140/60420</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta55/page18.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta55/page18.asp</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFalTRHDA&#038;feature=related</a></p>
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